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Bob Dylan said: "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do." To what extent do you agree with this definition?

Why to want to be successfull ?

and modesty ? and discretion ?

and think about anyone than "I, ME, MYSELF".

Shokin

shokin wrote:Why to want to be successfull ?

There are million reasons why one wants to be successful. For instance, being successful so you can give things back to the community, family, and others; being successful so you can help others without having a feeling you can't do much help because you can't even help yourself; being successful so you will have the opportunity to take care of your parents when they get older, and not putting them in nursing home like other insensitive children; or being successful so you can provide your children a better education, a better understanding about giving and sharing the wells. Anyway, I can give you my million reasons if you'd like to .

TP wrote:Bob Dylan said: "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do." To what extent do you agree with this definition?

My mom always says, "you are never poor if you're not a lazy person with a good heart." I think it's true. If you're not lazy, there are always jobs out there for you to do if you're willing to do them. And if you have a good heart, there are people who will help you when you need help because of bad fortune.

What you say you can do with success, many people don't do so.

Success = Money ?

Better is not to create new needs. There are many unncessary (and bad !) things that people buy. If they did not buy these things, they could spend time and money more in the really important things.

Shokin

Success is something that you have acheived what you want.
you can get success by doing well, becoming famous or rich. To put it more simply, when you are comfortable and not feeling uneasy, you are successful. I must say you can obtain success when you meet your desires and targets. However, I belive in this material world; success is through money, by getting good education, having properties, car, bank balance and soforth.

sometimes I thinks this is not adequate to be successful. Can you win hearts through money? Can you buy the love (genuine) of girl, the love of parents and the love of humans etc.

Does the money play a vital role in success?

H wrote:Success is something that you have acheived what you want.you can get success by doing well, becoming famous or rich. To put it more simply, when you are comfortable and not feeling uneasy, you are successful.

Shokin, this is my answer right here. Thanks H, it's exactly what I wanted to say . If you want your day to be a happy day and you've made it becoming a happy, I think you've succeeded your goal to be happy, and therefore, you are successful. Success doesn't always have to involve with money. Anything you want for yourself or others and you have achieved it, you're successful.
And most of the reasons I said in my previous post involves with money. You can't deny that we don't need money to live. Money is essential; however, being a slave or a boss of money is how you work your way with money. Some people have little, but they are still happy enough while some have a lot, but they're too stressed to stop for a happy time.

I hope than you have not only personal goal, but collective goals, too.

Shokin

shokin wrote:I hope than you have not only personal goal, but collective goals, too.

Shokin

It could be anything you have in mind that you want to achieve.

TP wrote:Bob Dylan said: "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do." To what extent do you agree with this definition?

Actually, I quite agree with this definition! I think the success here mentions 2 points:

1-If one are capable of doing what he wants, he/she's half successful.
2-If he/she is diligent enough to do those, he/she is successful.

For everyone's action should be limited by the ethical.
He cann't do everything he want. For there is a original instinct in everyone , he wants to get more and more , to expand his orbit. As a result he will be a aggressor. A aggressor can't be a success man.

sunnyni wrote:For everyone's action should be limited by the ethical.
He cann't do everything he want. For there is a original instinct in everyone , he wants to get more and more , to expand his orbit. As a result he will be a aggressor. A aggressor can't be a success man.

Good point, sunnyni.

I don't think so, why do you think that aggressor can not be a success??In history, many aggressor men were successful, for example napoleong... :)

phucauto3 wrote:I don't think so, why do you think that aggressor can not be a success??In history, many aggressor men were successful, for example napoleong... :)

Ethical point of view, phu.

yes, I gree with you that it's ethical problem,so that's difficult to say he is really successful;
oh yea, my name is Phuc
glad to meet you
thanks for reply.

In a book about success and luck, the author said that success can be come from luck. And luck doesn't come twice , we have to catch it as soon as we touch it.
He also compare luck by chance with manmade luck, because not all of luck leads to success, we have to know how to make a luck for ourseves. That success would be long-lasting.

I think that a successful person is the one who achieves his aims without neglecting the surrounding, whether they are his friends or family ....

also, the success comes after managing your time very well ....
you have time for your study or work , for your friends, for your family , and for your other activities...

In my point of view, when a person feels satisfied of himself, he is a successful person.....

This topic reminds me a saying.
What makes one success is not one's IQ,but one's EQ.

PlatoTse wrote:This topic reminds me a saying.
What makes one success is not one's IQ,but one's EQ.

What's EQ? :?

Thomas Watson, the founder of IBM, was asked once to give a formula for success. His reply? "Double your failure rate"!

success, by definition, mean achieving your objects. Thus a successful person must be an individual that accomplishes his objectives more often than he fails to do so. Success is largely defined by measures such as wealth, position, status. In addition success is measured by one's capabilities

From the replies , I concluded that many people believe that success is not wealth and position. It is defined as if one person can do what he want . So what you want to do now? Learning English? Maybe now we are all not success. If we want to sucess, we must have wealth , i think this is a basic condition. so you come here to study English for a better future.

sunnyni wrote:From the replies , I concluded that many people believe that success is not wealth and position. It is defined as if one person can do what he want . So what you want to do now? Learning English? Maybe now we are all not success. If we want to sucess, we must have wealth , i think this is a basic condition. so you come here to study English for a better future.

Some people study English just to know another language, to communicate with other peoplw who know how to speak English, etc. It doesn't have to be for your own future job. Well, speaking more than one language does benefit you for getting a better job, which is a better salary; however, what if you were a retired person who were learning another language? What do you say about those cases?

LennyeTran wrote:

sunnyni wrote:From the replies , I concluded that many people believe that success is not wealth and position. It is defined as if one person can do what he want . So what you want to do now? Learning English? Maybe now we are all not success. If we want to sucess, we must have wealth , i think this is a basic condition. so you come here to study English for a better future.

Some people study English just to know another language, to communicate with other peoplw who know how to speak English, etc. It doesn't have to be for your own future job. Well, speaking more than one language does benefit you for getting a better job, which is a better salary; however, what if you were a retired person who were learning another language? What do you say about those cases?[/qu

I just want to give a instance.
I always can't do the thing that i want for i have not enough money. So i am not successful. Maybe the wealth people can't do what they want to do too. In the buddha , Greed is the enemy of the human. Everyone will be successful if he has no greed.

sunnyni!!!
What 's the diffirence between money and success in you!
to many people, family, job, social standing, knowledge is more important. If we can combine all perfectly, we will be successful

sunnyni wrote: In the buddha , Greed is the enemy of the human. Everyone will be successful if he has no greed.

Yes, but wanting things for you or taking things that are not yours because you want them are greed. However, doing things for others or helping others is one of many ways to be successful, and it's not a greed. They are not a greed because you don't want thing for yourself or others. You help them because it's a part of one human being should do to another, and they'll be happy because of your help since you're a sincere person who just help without asking something back in return; therefore, to some people it could be a success because it's a part of the goals to them-- helping others when you could without asking something back in return. If you help people to get them to like you, then it's a part of a greed, for you've helped people with a purpose. It's not a genuine act.
About setting goals and wanting to achieve them are also greed; however, I think there are levels of greed. Not all greed are just plain bad. For instance, your greed based on the happiness of others could be a good or a bad thing. If your greed will make them happy, then is it good or bad? I think you know the answer. If your greed will take away their happiness, then I think you know it's a good or bad thing, right?

Yes, it is me neglect the other side meaning of the greed.

Each time we dicuss the problem, we have to balance the both side of it, bad and good.

Oh,Phu said about napoleon.
He is my idol.!!!I often get aggressive as him

I admire his talent,his character.His life is an immortal epic!!!

All my love for him!!

hello everyone, I just wanna say that i completely agree with what Bob Dylan said.... to me, if u go to bed and u did wat u wanted during the day then ur successful no doubt there. success is mistakingly perceived these days as doing sth that brings alot of money and move u up in social class..i say success is doing wat u want and being happy and satisfied....I believe that's the meaning of life:)

“Success” is the expectation of humans, if one has the strong determination to work it out , I’m sure, he/she will succeed.Merely have an idea is insufficient,sould have actions,ready to face and solve problems,and...must not give up.

welcome, more opinions please.

I wonder if there is any Vietnamese, except me, in this forum.
Following is the link of a Vietnamese girl saying about what success is.
http://www19.dantri.com.vn/giaoduc-khuy ... 148550.vip
I agree with Bob Dylan. Most people think of success as some difficult thing to get. But to Bob Dylan, the above girl and me, success is what you can do like the way you want :D

And internet means business.

Shokin

candykhkh wrote:I wonder if there is any Vietnamese, except me, in this forum.
Following is the link of a Vietnamese girl saying about what success is.
http://www19.dantri.com.vn/giaoduc-khuy ... 148550.vip
I agree with Bob Dylan. Most people think of success as some difficult thing to get. But to Bob Dylan, the above girl and me, success is what you can do like the way you want :D

Hi,

I agree with your point of views, they are your expectations, once you have got what you need/like, you feel happy and satisfied, right? So success is just that,I understand that. .It is normal.

But, sometimes the basic needs (food, clothing, sleep, shelter, security) are just difficult to get in a war-torn country and starvation area whereby they have to rob and kill to get these needs …..)For us these things are plenty and excessive.So, we don't feel difficult to get.

When humans have sufficient of these basic needs, they want something else to upgrade their lives , such as: friends, family, children, car, washing machine , better education, better job and so forth. After having all these, do you think humans will stop expecting? No, right? The expectation just keep on moving ahead. Besides material/money , humans are also expect for respectability from others, popularity , fame and…....ceaseless.

Amazing, right ? This is mundane. Thus, humans’ desires are ceaseless until the end of their lives. Once the expectations are there, humans need to work them out, some are easy to achieve but some are not. Without any expectation is not a human.

Therefore, to hit the target, easy or difficult it depends on you, what are you, where are you......

LennyeTran wrote:

shokin wrote:Why to want to be successfull ?

There are million reasons why one wants to be successful. For instance, being successful so you can give things back to the community, family, and others; being successful so you can help others without having a feeling you can't do much help because you can't even help yourself; being successful so you will have the opportunity to take care of your parents when they get older, and not putting them in nursing home like other insensitive children; or being successful so you can provide your children a better education, a better understanding about giving and sharing the wells. Anyway, I can give you my million reasons if you'd like to .

I quite agree with your opinion .to me now ,i study in a university of China .An d I will finish it an d get my bachelor degree next summer .and in the following years ,i will study two years to get my graduate degree .however ,i have o dreem that oneday i can study in usa even when i was a child .an d to a foreign er ,english is a second language and to pass toefl and gre is not a easy thing for me .but ,since i have the dream ,i get up early in the moring and study lately untill evenings .all my cultivation comes from my dream .maybe in 2009 i will maybe in the american land .wish me good luck .
(wish frends all over the world pick up my mistakes when i express my opininon using english ,help me improve my english ability ,thanks to all).

happysmile wrote:In a book about success and luck, the author said that success can be come from luck. And luck doesn't come twice , we have to catch it as soon as we touch it.
He also compare luck by chance with manmade luck, because not all of luck leads to success, we have to know how to make a luck for ourseves. That success would be long-lasting.

luck or chance is of course important to a person's success .and under certain curcumstances ,it plays a grave important role in the way to success .however ,i also want to say .besides luck or chance ,what we also should do is that prepare for it .In china ,there is a old saying says like that opertunity always gives chances to those who make good preparation .

LennyeTran wrote:

sunnyni wrote: In the buddha , Greed is the enemy of the human. Everyone will be successful if he has no greed.

Yes, but wanting things for you or taking things that are not yours because you want them are greed. However, doing things for others or helping others is one of many ways to be successful, and it's not a greed. They are not a greed because you don't want thing for yourself or others. You help them because it's a part of one human being should do to another, and they'll be happy because of your help since you're a sincere person who just help without asking something back in return; therefore, to some people it could be a success because it's a part of the goals to them-- helping others when you could without asking something back in return. If you help people to get them to like you, then it's a part of a greed, for you've helped people with a purpose. It's not a genuine act.
About setting goals and wanting to achieve them are also greed; however, I think there are levels of greed. Not all greed are just plain bad. For instance, your greed based on the happiness of others could be a good or a bad thing. If your greed will make them happy, then is it good or bad? I think you know the answer. If your greed will take away their happiness, then I think you know it's a good or bad thing, right?

Yes ,it is ture to say like that .And i remember ,J.F.Kennedy,a late American president,once said "Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask what you can do for your conutry".Yet I want to say "Ask not what others can do for you ,Ask what you can do for others".

hi all, in my opinion we can't define success. I think everyone has difernt ways of feeling he/she succed in his/her life. what i want to mean is that we are diferent from each other so we fell success diferently.

H wrote:Success is something that you have acheived what you want.
you can get success by doing well, becoming famous or rich. To put it more simply, when you are comfortable and not feeling uneasy, you are successful. I must say you can obtain success when you meet your desires and targets. However, I belive in this material world; success is through money, by getting good education, having properties, car, bank balance and soforth.

sometimes I thinks this is not adequate to be successful. Can you win hearts through money? Can you buy the love (genuine) of girl, the love of parents and the love of humans etc.

Does the money play a vital role in success?

I agree with you

When humans have sufficient of these basic needs, they want something else to upgrade their lives , such as: friends, family, children, car, washing machine , better education, better job and so forth. After having all these, do you think humans will stop expecting? No, right? The expectation just keep on moving ahead. Besides material/money , humans are also expect for respectability from others, popularity , fame and…....ceaseless.

Your are right, my friend. We always have incessant and varying needs increasing to the ever changing society. We seem never satisfied with anything we obtained and our desire keeps moving ahead. It turns our that happiness in any success becomes so relative, more exactly, nothing called absolute success. That's the reality we all must accept in life.

Amazing, right ? This is mundane. Thus, humans’ desires are ceaseless until the end of their lives. Once the expectations are there, humans need to work them out, some are easy to achieve but some are not. Without any expectation is not a human.

So where is the success ? It's all up to your capability ? Not sure . Many persons have some ability to do something, yet they looks to be unsuccessful in other aspects. In most of the cases, the right time and the right place, let alone some fortune, ocassionaly plays a vital role in deciding the success of anyone.

Success is made of many many smaller ones- such as many little steps on a path. For me success is when I see the smile of someone smilling at me, when i realise I didn't do something bad just few minutes ago, when i can close my eyes and all I see is soft, smiling light inside of me, when i see the thankfulness in someone's eyes, that I have just helped, the feelling of satisfaction after a well- done job, the feeling when u realise that u have just understood something new in life, something which pushes u one step ahaid, the feeling when u know u are always on one step to your dreams, the fact that this morning I woke up with smile on my face and love in my heart, success is when I can rely on someone, when someone grabs my hand and smile at me. Success is when one day when u are old u can sit on a chair turn back to your life and say: I could live it once again the same.

You are the only judge of your success.



Shokin

anyone here who have read The Secret?

What you can succeed in your career life is to do the best that you possiblly can do!!!

TalkingPoint wrote:Bob Dylan said: "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do." To what extent do you agree with this definition?

Yes. For me the work is more rewarding if we like what we are doing... the good aura I think can be seen by others thru the outcome of our works...

Success is when you achieve all the things that you aim at, for eg. finishing university, getting the job you like and want, earning good money , having friends, a girl to love, staying healthy, thinking about having a great family. For working hard it´s neccesary for success , a bit of luck, a lot of optimism, and mainly happiness
it´s important to be always prepeared to overcome the problems that can appear and learn from them
Good luck with you goals

Success is when you achieve all the things that you aim at, for eg. finishing university, getting the job you like and want, earning good money , having friends, a girl to love, staying healthy, thinking about having a great family. For working hard it´s neccesary for success , a bit of luck, a lot of optimism, and mainly happiness
it´s important to be always prepeared to overcome the problems that can appear and learn from them
Good luck with you goals

Talk less...and be busy with what u're doing...this is the success

TalkingPoint wrote:Bob Dylan said: "A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do." To what extent do you agree with this definition?

i have strong faith that you will get that which is in your destiny...... hard working and edcuation are somehow useless things becuase man receives that Allah has written in his luck and destiny.......

I am sorry for not reading through the topic with so many posts. In my own opinion, a success is one who has passion for what he does and understands what life is like. A success is realistic, patient and self-driven. I don't want to say it in such a simple way, but I think success has a price. Moreover, one can succeed in one or some aspects but he may be far behind in other aspects. To be successful is to focus most of your energy, creation on a certain thing. The most success may be who knows where and when to put his passion and attention as well as knows how to apply his skills and abilities effectively. And finally and surely, a success will do what he wants to do, if the saying is implied as "he dares to do what he wants to".